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I am increasingly more bemused by what AF/BG are actually going to do this offseason.  After committing  to nearly $1.2B last year, I was not convinced they wanted to go big again this Winter.  I was also not so sure they would not.  After the Ohtani and Yamamoto contracts signed last Winter, AF/BG threw out the book as to what they were most likely going to do.

The baseball pundits take a statement from both AF and BG that they will be looking for SP, and surmised that the meaning of those statements was they were looking for elite SP.  They were “looking for pitching” when they signed Tyler Anderson and Andrew Heaney.

Well, the baseball pundits were right, as AF broke yet another one of his traits by signing Blake Snell to a 5 year $182MM contract (present value between $160MM and $165MM).  This was the first $cott Bora$ contract longer than 1 year that AF ever successfully negotiated.  Although the AAV was just about where most thought it would be.

I do think AF/BG is looking for one more starter.  IMO, I do not know if that will be an mid to top of the rotation pitcher or back end.

None of the LHSP who MIGHT be available matches the pedigree of Garrett Crochet.  I do not know what that cost will be, but I am sure the Dodgers can put together a package that can help both teams.  I do not know who all was involved in the 2024 deadline proposal, but if it fell apart because the Dodgers were not willing to include Dalton Rushing, they might have missed out.  I like to think that the addition of Rushing made the offer too much of an overpay at the time, and there was not enough time to make it work.  They had to pivot quickly for Jack Flaherty.

Crochet is 3 years younger than Flaherty and 4 years younger than Buehler.  He will be far less expensive than either Flaherty or Buehler.  Someone commented that they did not want Crochet because he is a sub .500 pitcher.  Is it really that shocking that a pitcher for the worst W-L team in the history of MLB had a sub .500 W-L record?  2024 was the first year Crochet was a SP and he pitched 146.0 innings, more than any LAD pitcher other than Flaherty.  His ERA last year was 3.58 but with a 2.69 FIP, xERA 2.83, SIERA 2.53, his peripherals were much better.  His K/9 was a very impressive 12.9, but his SO/W ratio was a more impressive 6.33.  Those numbers are all comparable and slightly better in multiple metrics than Yoshinobu Yamamoto, Tyler Glasnow, and Blake Snell. The rotation could be Yamamoto, Snell, Glasnow, Crochet, Ohtani and Miller.

But if AF/BG are still truly in on Crochet, they will not be alone.  Philadelphia is very much involved in the discussions.  They are reportedly willing to package Alec Bohm and  CF prospect Justin Crawford  for Crochet.  That is a better package than Lux and Rushing.  But do the Phillies really need another pitcher?  I guess everyone does.

Maybe AF/BG is more comfortable with back of the rotation options: Michael Lorenzen or Jose Quintana.  Give the young guns more time to percolate.

Would the Padres be willing to include C Ethan Salas or SS Leodalis De Vries in a trade?  The problem is that the Padres do not have a MLB position player available who is not on a long term contract except Jackson Merrill, and he is not going anywhere. Jake Cronenworth will cost SD nearly $11.5MM AAV through 2030. That is a non-starter for CWS.

NYY and NYM could be players, but it does behoove CWS to wait until the Soto sweepstakes is complete.    I am not sure Atlanta has the prospects to entice Chris Getz, and neither Orlando Arcia nor Jarred Kelenic is going to move the needle.

So, if the Dodgers want Crochet, they can put a more competitive offer together than any other team.  I am just not sure that is the route they want to go with the bevy of MLB ready pitchers they have in their stable.

Then I read this from Miggy Ro:

“Knowing that Mookie is going to be back, it makes me happy. It makes me excited to keep working with him and to keep going at it with Mookie at short and second base, because I know how better he got when the time was there.” 

When I read this, I got the impression that SS is not out of the question for Mookie.  Miggy does not need to work with Mookie at 2B, although it certainly would not hurt.  His tutelage is for SS (IMO).  If Lux is not included in a trade, he is probably back at 2B for LAD.  Thus, as long as Lux remains with the Dodgers, Mookie Betts will be the SS.

Now that Tommy Baseball (move over Donnie Baseball) has been extended, the guessing game for where he plays is in full force.  Apparently sportswriters are split as to whether Edman is a SS or CF or both.

We will know more of the “plan” once we learn whether the Dodgers acquire a LF, CF, and/or SS.  For CF and SS, IMO, it would have to be via a trade or internal.  There is not a difference making free agent CF or SS.

For LF, do the Dodgers want to give Teoscar Hernández a third (or fourth) year?  Both Boston and NYY are very bullish on Teo.  The problem is, if not Teo, then who?  No, it is not going to be Juan Soto.  If they are not willing to give the extra year to Teo, I cannot see them offering it to Anthony Santander with a QO attached.  Yes he is younger and a switch hitter, but he did not help Baltimore the way Teo did for the WS Champions.  Tyler O’Neill?  Jesse Winker? Michael Conforto? Harrison Bader? Max Kepler?

I know there are a lot of Dalton Rushing fans out there, and they do not want to see him traded.  I understand wanting the LAD prospects to move up to MLB with LAD.  But like Lux if Mookie plays 2B, there is no position for Rushing as long as Will Smith is there.  He is not a LF.  He is playing there to get more ABs in AAA.  But does that play out in MLB?

Rushing does not have to be protected this year, so he will probably start back in OKC. But will it be as a catcher, or more as a LF/1B/DH?  I do believe he is a MLB player, but just not with the Dodgers.  IMO, his best value right now probably comes in a trade.  Or would you rather see him wither on the vine like Ryan Ward and Diego Cartaya?

Luis Robert Jr. is not going to be traded this winter without a significant overpay.  CWS wants position players for Crochet.  Why would they trade their best position player without that significant overpay?  Can the Dodgers offer one?  Absolutely, but AF is probably not going to.

I would be all in for Kyle Tucker, even as a rental.  But if Alex Bregman goes elsewhere, Houston needs to extend Tucker.

What other OF has both the offensive and defensive chops as does Tucker, Mookie, Judge, Julio Rodriguez? None of Steven Kwan, Ian Happ, or Colton Cowser are going to be traded.  One does come to mind, Boston’s CF Jarren Duran.  Is that a possibility?   Boston is not saying no to him being available.  But certainly improbable.

There are offensive juggernauts like Soto, Santander, and Nick Castellanos who struggle defensively, and there are defensive stalwarts like Jake Meyers, Brenton Doyle, and Jacob Young who struggle with the bats.

Byron Buxton would fit the criteria if he could only stay on the field.  He played in 102 games in 2024 which was the most since 2017.  Only two years > 100 games.

But maybe, just maybe, AF/BG believe in James Outman more than most fans.  He would not be the first player who bombed and then came back to have a good career.  We have no idea how his wife’s pregnancy could have influenced his season.  His pressing at the plate, along with the pregnancy, could have put him on an emotional roller coaster.  Once she delivered and the baby came home, James became a different hitter.  For the month of September, in 84 PA (75 AB), Outman slashed .360/.429/.693/1.122, with 4 HR, 12 XBH, 9 BB, 18 K (21.4%)  Rushing for the month of September slashed .230/.338/.459/.797, with 4 HR, 6 XBH 9 BB, 1 HBP, 15 K (21.1%).  Outman is also a better runner and defender.  I would go with Outman over Rushing in the OF.

 

IMO, Outman deserves a 2nd chance.  He is that player who is capable of producing both offensively and defensively.  Will he?  That is why they play the games.

Do the Dodgers believe that Alex Freeland is the LAD future SS?  How long will they have to wait for Joendry Vargas, Emil Morales, or Kellon Lindsey to emerge?  I mentioned earlier in the week some SS who might be available.  I thought that Willy Adames was more likely going to play in SF, and he is the only needle moving SS in free agency.

Although not likely, Cincinnati’s Matt McLain could be available.  Also not likely, but possible is Washington’s C.J. Abrams.  Does anyone believe that Seattle’ J.P. Crawford is due for a bounceback year?  What is the likelihood that the Dodgers could convince Arizona to trade Jordan Lawler or Geraldo Perdomo to them?

I am sure Boston would love to trade Trevor Story and his 3 years, $72.5MM contract.  I doubt that the Dodgers feel the same about acquiring Story.

There are just too many “what if” scenarios to know where AF/BG are leaning.  The Dodgers could go in a dozen or more directions, including doing nothing else.  We sit and wait.

 

 

 

 

Jeff Dominique

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Badger

Well written Jeff. And it all makes sense to me…. except for one thing – Mookie to short.

I do not like that idea. Oh I’m pretty sure he could do it, but I’m on record saying put him at second, leave him there, and get a shortstop to play shortstop. Now that could be a platoon between Rojas and Edman, which might mean a platoon in center as well. I do see Edman in utility role and maybe that’s how they get him 500 at bats. But, honestly, I’m not crazy about that idea either.

I don’t which way to go with this if Adames and Robert Jr aren’t coming here. But, Edman at short and Outman in center solves the problem. Is that a Championship lineup? It can be if the pitching improves.

Bluto

Nice article.

As the great William Goldman opined about a different industry than Dodger fandom, it is applicable:

Nobody knows anything.

Michael Norris

Heading to California on Monday. Hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving.

Bumsrap

There are 2 things Outman needs to do to become the Dodgers opening day center fielder.
1. Not get traded
2. Repeat his 2023 spring training performance

Bumsrap

One way the Dodgers could get younger would be to keep Lux at 2nd and pit Betts at third.

If Muncy is so good then he has trade value.

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Michael Norris

Blake Snell is officially a Dodger as of today. He is on the 40-man roster. Glad to see Edman extended. USC game was hard to watch.

dodgerram

The Dodgers with the current roster would be just fine if they additionally bring in Treinen, Tanner Scott, Teo and (hopefully) Sasaki.
Soto would be nice but is not a must have. Same for Robert jun. or Crochet.

Can still make some deadline trades if necessary.

A 6 men rotation of Glasnow, Snell, Yama, Shohei, Gonsolin, Miller with (in no particular order) Wrobleski, May, Knack,Sheehan, Nr.22,Casparius, Ferris providing depth is excellent.Bullpen would be great too with Treinen, Scott, Vesia, Banda, Phillpps, Kopech as the high leverage arms (with Graterol hopefully back in the 2nd half).
Lineup:
Ohtani, DH
Betts, 2b
FF, 1b
Teo, LF
,Muncy, 3b
Smith, c
Edman, ss
Pages, RF
Outman, CF

Bench:Rojas, Barnes, CT3, Rushing

Go Dodgers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Duke Not Snider

Yes, the White Sox GM says he wants position players for Crochet.
But he never said he won’t also consider quality pitchers because (a) he’ll need to replace Crochet in the rotation and (b) the woeful White Sox need help in EVERY aspect of the game.
I am one of those fans that want to keep Rushing. But we just don’t know how good (or not good) he’d be at the next level, so including him for a quality talent like Crochet or Robert could make sense.
Would a package of Lux, Rushing, Wrobleski (or Knack) and Feduccia (or Gauthier) work? They’d get a starting 2B, the young power bat the covet, a new young lefty (or righty) with ML experience, and a backup catcher–possibly Rushing’s backup–or a UT prospect.

Of course the Dodgers really don’t need another SP, especially if Sasaki decides to wear pantone. But I think as a matter of roster management, not mention sheer fun, it makes sense to swing a blockbuster now and then.
Shake things up a bit. How much fun is it to just dangle a fat contract in front of a free agent? Wasn’t it more fun to work a three-team deal to land Edman and Kopech?

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Michael Norris

Dodger SS prospect, Jose Fernandez was suspended for the 2025 season for PED use.

Dave

I agree that the 2026 pitching list looks full. That’s why I think they could get a backend starter who will become expendable, like Paxton. I also do not see much risk in using Outman and or Rushing. There is so much firepower in the lineup and the pitching is so good. Albeit defense is important, Outman is good and I really can’t speak to Rushing’s defense but how bad could it be? Teo wasn’t considered a good defender either. I say play him or trade him.

John

Kershaw will be back in the first half of the season and will be really good. Reading a lot of blogs, people have put him out to pasture. My biggest hope going into the new season is Kershaw starting game one with a shutout and win the clinching game five. He’s a legend and we need to enjoy his talent because he’s on the back nine of his career, possibly on hole 18. Our grandkids will be arguing whether or not some new pitcher is as good as Koufax and Kershaw.

david

Guys come here and learn how to pitch, then move on with a big contract elsewhere. So talking about Anderson and Heaney–They had one good year with LA , but sucked before they came here and after they left

tedraymond

What a thorough article Jeff! How is your rehab coming along?

There are lots of possibilities available to AF/BG to consider. At this point in the offseason everyone’s thoughts and opinions are as good as another. The front office always seems to pull off an unexpected signing or trade each off season.
Maybe, the signing of Snell was that surprise. Or, do they have something else that we haven’t covered?

Right now I would like to see the following:
Sign Sasaki – low cost. Eliminates the need to trade for Crochet and thus saving prospects to trade for:
AAA, MLB ready SS prospect or a McClain type already in MLB
If unable to trade for a SS then:
Edman SS
Outman CF
Mookie 2B
Trade Lux for the above SS prospect, pitching prospects, or international money.
Sign Teoscar – 3 three years $75-$85M
Sign Treinen – two years at ????

Starting pitching to begin 2025:
Yamamoto
Sasaki
Glasnow
Snell
Gonsolin
Miller

Add Ohtani in May to replace Gonsolin or an injured starter
Add Kersahw in July. I’m sure that an injured starter will need to be replaced. If no injured pitcher, by some miracle, then I don’t know where he fits in.

Note: I would like to see May as a permanent BP member. A BP of May, Treinen, Vesia, Banda, Kopech, Casparius, and Phillips is strong. There are other possibilities in the minors for depth. If Graterol returns later in the season then there’s another piece that could be available.

It’s already been a positive offseason. I’m curious to see what else might be in the works.

Carry on.

Duke Not Snider

I’ve always rooted for Outman to get more opportunity. His last month at OKC was encouraging. He’s always been streaky.
In his rookie season, he got off to a fast start and, with Max, carried offense for the first month of the season. When he slumped, the Dodgers allowed him to work out his issues on the big league level–and he did. And he always shown first-rate defense.
His rookie season showed Outman’s power against righties (with 22 HRs) while he was a singles hitter against lefties. His OBP was in the healthy .350 range on both sides. On most teams, he’d be a full-time player. But on the Dodgers he makes sense as a platoon option with Pages, who kills lefties.
I hope Teo returns. With or without Teo, I think an overpay for Luis Robert Jr. may pay off big. He’s just a huge talent with proven 40 HR power and Gold Glove potential in CF. And at 27, he’d make the Dodgers younger.
Yes, he may be injury-prone, but the Dodgers conditioning program and role models like Mookie could help.
With Snell, Yamamoto, Glasnow and Shohei all locked up for the next five years–and plenty of young pitching talent in the wings–a deal for Robert makes more sense than adding Crochet.

Bklyn2LA57

Here we go again! Looks like St. Louis is trying to trade Nolan Arenado. Word is the Yankees and, you guessed it, the Dodgers are the favorites. To add to the intrigue is Arenado has posted a picture on Instagram of himself on vacation playing Kendrick Lamar’s song “Dodger Blue”. Just wishful thinking on his part. If it was 2 or 3 years ago I’d say there would be a chance, but he’ll be 34 in April; too old to waste players for. Besides Mookie would have to go to SS and Muncy to 2B to make it work. Not gonna happen in my opinion.

Bobby

Good article this morning on ESPN.com re. Willy Adames. I did not know he was so respected and liked by teammates.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/42622206/mlb-offseason-2024-25-free-agency-willy-adames-shortstop

tedraymond

Singing the Blue. I just read your response to my post from yesterday. I appreciate the kind words.

No problem keeping Gonsolin in the rotation instead of Miller. I’ve been a big fan of Gonsolin and was sorry to see him have injury issues in 2023-24. I guess it comes down to who is producing at the time.

Your international money explanation was something I wasn’t aware of. The rule makes sense. So, the trade with Lux or others for a mere $250K in additional monies is not a good return. Like someone else mentioned, Sasaki’s decision won’t be based on money considering a delay of a couple of years would have had him signing for hundreds of millions more than he will receive with his signing in 2025.

It’s amazing the wealth of information shared by so many. LADC is a great place for any Dodger fan. Thanks for the lesson STB!

Bluto

Rosenthal has a lot of Dodger stuff in today’s piece:
($$$$$)
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5961937/2024/12/02/mlb-free-agency-juan-soto-willy-adames-corbin-burnes/

Basically waiting to see if they can get Soto at a value or team friendly deal (Harper’s pitch is mentioned)
Not really mentioned on Adames.
Good info on why Buehler:
A. Didn’t get a QO
B. May be more likely to sign elsewhere.

Sam Oyed

Reports are Soto will decide sometime in hHe next 10 days.

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